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HSS Fidelity HT230 true class "A" or not???

7.7K views 15 replies 7 participants last post by  thehatedguy  
#1 ·
Cliffnotes:
There's a thread on DIYAudio where Steve Mantz says there are no class A car amps. I mention the HSS HT230 and this is his response
Dear ca90ss

Well what about this amplifier with 23 amps idle current?

Firstly it is a tube amplifier.
Secondly if you did not notice it uses tubes which have filaments
Thirdly these little ol' filaments draw static current.
Fourthly this static current is drawn from the battery.
Fifthly each 6550 tube draws 1.6 amps at 6.3v so 4 tubes = 6.4 amps before we begin.
This does not include the step down regulators from 12 to 6.3v though I do admit I have no idea if he uses this or puts the fils in series or uses a switching regulator to drop the 12v to 6.3v!
Lastly a pair of 6550 tubes is 100% incapable of being run in pure class A to deliver 30 watts of audio power.
I know this as I have been designing tube amps since 1966.
So where the extra 16.6 amps of current draw come from is anyone's guess.
The PDF on their web site is corrupted so I could not down load it.

You can argue about this all day long, tube or solid state a class A amplifier of any appreciable power is not practicaL in a car.

Steve Mantz
I've seen several posts here as well as elsewhere where Werewolf and the hated guys claim it truly is class A. So is it or isn't it class A ???
 
#8 ·
I've driven an International [ semi ], we let it idle at all times :D when we were not driving and it was below freezing.

Now with an amp and music, I don't see the problem if you know what a toggle switch is ;)

But , yeah if you didn't understand how to wire things up so you controlled them this could be a big problem with dead batteries, wasting gas , etc..,

So you'd have to be one smart puppy or rich, if you're not !!:p
 
#12 ·
Got a few dollars :D

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The EQ is most likely to be used when comparing a tube amplifier (which exhibits slight high frequency rolloff) to a solid state amplifier . In that case Richard Clark says he can usually fashion an equalizer out of just a resistor and/or capacitor which for just a few dollars makes the solid state amplifier exhibit the same rolloff as the tube amplifier, and therefore sound the same. If the tube amplifier really sounded better, then modifying the solid state amplifier to sound indistinguishable from it for a few bucks should be a great improvement.
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#13 ·
Ok. So I know nothing about tubes, and I have spent the better part of 2 hours reading everything I could before asking this questions about them.

1. A$$hole, earlier you noted the dual mono design. Am I understanding correctly that all 2-channel stereo tube amplifiers must be dual mono?

2. Mantz's response said that the 6550 tube was incapable of delivering the quoted power. Yet the 6550 seems to have a maximum plate dissipation of 40W, so would 2 in parallel be able to deliver 80w in theory? Does this depend on the "ultralinear mode"?

3. With this 6550 tube, where would you be seeing the "signal" to the speakers? On the plate? And the output on the plate is varying with the input signal being fed to the screen, and also with the anti-phase speaker output?

4. The output from a tube requires a transformer from high tube voltage / low current to lower voltage, higher current needed by speakers?

Sorry if these questions are dumb or flat out wrong, but sometimes its a lot easier to get help from people who know, rather than just reading and reading without any assistance. Thanks!

I've found this information on the 2 tubes used in the design, KT88 and 12AU7.
 
#15 ·
I have one of these amps...pretty nice amp. Yeah, I don't think most people on here run speakers that have a high enough sensitivity to really appreciate the amp...start getting into the 100+ dB range, and any and all small things will start jumping out at you. I am planning on running mine on a pair of 112 dB sensitive horns.

The amp is running class A. It's not wired as a puesdo triode, but single ended pentode, which 2 paralleled KT88s can deliver 30 watts that way. You can get less power in ultra liner versus SEPP, but distortion drops in UL mode.

And no, you do not have to have dual power supplies for a stereo tube amp. But for one to use in the car, it would be easier to do it that way. And I think HSS had a good power supply worked out from previous products that they either adapted to use in this amp, or used it as it stood.